Perseverance Benefits the Godly and Ungodly

As believers in Jesus Christ, many of us have hailed the decision of the California Supreme Court to uphold the state’s ban on gay marriage. It became law after a majority vote of the people of California, and I personally was pleasantly surprised to see the court uphold a statute that clearly had constitutional grounds. As is often the case, the victory appears short-lived. Gay leaders say they plan to put a new measure on next year’s ballot to overturn the ban. This reminds me of my home state of Missouri. Year after year Missouri voters would vote on new forms of riverboat gambling, and year after year the voters would say no. Every time the casinos lost, they simply tried again. And when they finally won the vote simply by wearing down the opposition’s willingness to fight anymore, it was a done deal. Those against gambling didn’t attempt another ballot measure, but instead gave up.

My guess is that the same thing that happened in Missouri will happen in California. There are enough activists, mixed with enough politically correct voters that eventually the ban will be overturned. My question is whether those who oppose gay marriage will continue to keep the measure on the ballot or if they will simply give up?

As Christians we need to be slow to give up. In 2 Corinthians 12:12, Paul writes, “Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.” In order to communicate the gospel, and to prove that he had the right to do so, Paul was a persistent witness. He didn’t just ask people if they wanted to know Jesus, and then walk away. He persevered and continued to live the life of the Christian among the Corinthians, even when so few believed his message. Probably many of them told Paul that he was out of touch with the culture, that he was old fashioned, that he was judgmental. But, Paul says his message as important and he persevered.

California’s gay activists will likely persevere until they establish the perversion they seek within the laws of their state. I wonder how willing we are Christians to persevere to see holiness and salvation established in the lives of people around us. Is your witness one of perseverance? Let us continue to share the message as long as we have the opportunity.

 

 

Comments

#1 from Mark on June 01, 2009

I’m really having a hard time understanding why gay marriage has been a target of Christian politics for the past 20 years. Not one person has ever chosen to be gay. Don’t you people understand that? Do you know how much pain you cause people when you tell them they are immoral. You are driving away members of your church and people away from religion in general. Why do you think there are more atheists than ever? Why do you think there are more people than ever who don’t see religion as a top priority? Because everyone has a general sense of right and wrong, and the ideals and actions of religious fanatics put a bad taste in everyone’s mouths.

I hope the same thing that happened in Missouri does happen in California. Sometimes, it takes a greater authority to enforce what is fair onto the general public. That is exactly what happened with the emancipation of Blacks in the south and caused a civil war. This is no different. Genetics causes someone to be Black, just as it causes someone to be gay. Gay people are being discriminated against because of something they did not choose to be.

#2 from Heath on June 02, 2009

Mark,
I appreciate you taking the time to read and comment on this important subject to both believers and unbelievers alike.

I have to disagree with your point on no one ever choosing to be gay. It is clearly a choice according to Scripture (Romans 1:26-27) and according to genetics. There has never been a scientific study that proved homosexuality to be genetic. The study by Dean Hamer that is usually cited, is the same study that caused Dr. Hamer to say, “There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don’t think we’ll ever be able to predict who will be gay.” The reason you can’t predict it, is because it’s a choice.

Mark, I’m sure it does hurt a homosexual person to be called immoral. It sure hurt me when I heard that I was immoral when I looked at pornography, or lied, or shoplifted. However, I wouldn’t trade that pain for anything, because it caused me to realize I needed the forgiveness and new life that Jesus offers.

The struggle of African-Americans in our country should never be compared to the homosexual movement. There is no difference between a black man and white man. That’s what is wrong with racism. He didn’t choose to be black, just as I didn’t choose to be white. But, when homosexuals make their choice, they have the same opportunity to “unmake” it (which many former homosexuals have). This is what prevents it from being an issue of civil rights. They are asking for their perversion to be validated.  Mark, I am praying for you today that you might be able to see this from God’s point of view.

#3 from Mark on July 24, 2009

Heath,

Romans 1:26-27 states: “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

What does that even mean? Those passages are ambiguous at best- and this is from scripture that has been revised to be understood by modern english speaking society? That is in no way “clear” as you say. How can those passages prove to anyone that homosexuality is a choice? You’re really grabbing for straws here. How could you make any sense of something that has been translated into english after it was written in three different languages-one of them dead-to begin with?

How can you know it’s a choice when you aren’t homosexual? I’m telling you it’s not a choice a I AM homosexual. Even if I don’t choose to have sex with a man, I can’t choose to make my attraction to men go away. I will ALWAYS be homosexual, even if I have sex with men or not, because I am attracted to men-which I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE!

What I’m imploring you to consider is, that with all the inaccuracies proven in the bible, and after being passed down for thousands of years, and for the first few hundred years of the bible’s life it was passed down VERBALLY, isn’t it just possible that it has been distorted? Could God-all mighty and omnipotent-really make such an error as to create homosexuality?

The Hamer study you are referring to was performed in 1993. That is 10 years before the first human genome sequencing project was even completed. There are over 20,000 genes in humans according to findings from the Human Genome Project. Hamer did not examine every gene. And as you may or may not of knowingly done, you have taken Hamer’s comment out of context. He says that his study did not find a single gene that makes people gay. However, if you have been educated in genetics, as I have being a bio-tech engineer, genes work in combinations. Multiple genes can also affect different human traits. At the time, he did not know about the Human Genome Project which explains him doubting our future ability to predict who will be gay. Although he says that, he does not say it is not caused by genetics. In fact, he said quite the opposite. He said he found genes that predisposed males to homosexual acts but could not find those in women. This explains his entire comment. He found genes that may make men homosexual but could not find them for women. Thus, the “no master gene” comment. It does not mean there aren’t genes to make women gay, it just means he couldn’t find them.

The struggle of homosexuals and African-Americans is in every way comparable. Yes, I agree, there is no difference between a black man and a white man, except the genes that make that man black. The only difference between a straight man and a gay man are the genes between the two. I don’t know how many times I can repeat this, but homosexuality is genetic. Who in their right mind would choose to be gay? I can’t stop being attracted to men- I tried your way, praying, for many years when I was young and naive. It failed. Why? Because there is no God, one, and two, being gay is genetic. Praying obviously doesn’t change that.

Homosexuals have been discriminated against, harassed, and killed for thousands of years. Yet, that is beside the point. No human should be persecuted for any amount of time. A battle of time of suffering is irrelevant.

However, what pain did you suffer for shoplifting? I have never shoplifted? How is THAT comparable to being gay? If we’re going to make rules about who’s suffering is relevant, I’d say being told you are wrong for shoplifting is pretty irrelevant. It’s almost laughable. Of course you’re immoral for shoplifting. You’re taking something that doesn’t belong to you which causes pain to someone else. What pain does my homosexuality cause to anyone else? I’d love to see your answer to that.

#4 from Heath on July 27, 2009

Hi Mark. I’m glad to see that you are still thinking on these issues, and I am certainly praying for you. It seems that we have reached an impasse, where I am confident of my position, as are you. There is room for multiple opinions in this world, however multiple opinions do not trump truth.

I am confident of the Word of God. It seems interesting that society calls the Bible irrelevant because it’s written in a dead language, but the works of Homer written in the same language deserve to be studied in our high schools and universities without any critical investigation of the work’s validity. If Scripture were truly full of errors and inconsistencies, if wouldn’t have stood this long. People throw trash away.

Mark, it comes down to this. We are all sinners, and while you may believe that shoplifting is not comparable to homosexuality, it is. It only takes one sin to separate us from God, so before Jesus I was as separated as any other sinner. The difference is that I have allowed Jesus Christ to forgive me for my sins and to lead my life. Shoplifting is a choice. Lying is a choice. Homosexuality is a choice. There are natural passions for men towards women and vise versa, and homosexuality is an unnatural fulfillment of those passions.

Ministries such as exodus international, which counsels people who want to leave the homosexual lifestyle, wouldn’t exist if homosexuality were not a choice. 30 years of effective ministry in leading people out of homosexuality proves that choice, and not genetics, is the ultimate reason for people being gay.

John 3:16 says that God sent Jesus Christ into the world so that people could know the love of God and live with Him for eternity. However, John 3:17 goes on to say, “For God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.” We aren’t Christians to condemn people, but to communicate the gospel which has changed our lives through the power and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.

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